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This work should not be thought of in this way.

The Cathars and their allies in their fight against the Church of Rome, opposed to the Church of Amor, had to establish a secret language in which to communicate, in the same way as heraldic art.

They therefore relied on wordplay between the langue d'Oc and French based on Latin and Greek, just like alchemists worthy of the name. A great deal of culture and imagination is needed to grasp certain meanings by analogy. The author reveals many of them. Reason and imagination are the key; the two sides of the same coin.

HP has demonstrated this approach mainly in English, German and Croatian, without going as far as other languages. If HP could get together with a small committee, as Frédéric Mistral did with the Félibriges Provençaux, and determine together how to proceed, a truly organised society could be formed to put ideas across under cover. Entire legends could be thus created by mythopoesis and communicate specific doctrines or informations.

A Provençal troubadour could point out at the beginning of his orations that he speaks the true langue d'Oc. What would he mean?

It could mean not the vulgar langue d'Oc but the OC(culte) language, the hidden language in Latin but also the language of the cult of the Sun (O) and the Moon (C).

Languedocien - 'Langue de Chien' in French - is also the language of dogs (chien means dog), the Cynic language (which comes from the Greek word Kunikos), i.e. the language of dogs (Rome's vision of the Cathars), but also and above all the language of the Gods! (in the Church of Amor).

When the beginning of the manuscript speaks of a woman who slips away, of immodest or lesbian practices, this is mainly to show that the woman symbolises this hidden language, which slips away, which unites perfectly with other languages, which is immoral in the eyes of the Roman church, etc...

Miguel Serrano uses this process to address the union of He and She. In this vision, the woman is taken as the soul with whom the knight struggling in this life must reunite to reach a perfect state acting in full awareness and guided by the pure spirit.

In the work I am proposing, Pierre Dujols mainly addresses this language through the Provençal poets, but also the historical contours of this political struggle, minus the mystical or operatic aspects, although I suspect that the author takes advantage of historical and etymological digressions to touch briefly on them.

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Read my book

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https://brill.com/view/journals/arie/23/1/article-p84_5.xml?language=en

Maybe this could help a little, it is not much but it can't hurt...

Looks like you and your companions are on the journey of a lifetime.

Soon I am done with some regular chores I will send something your way for protection...but I got the feeling you will be fine.

Take care and enjoy the ride, my friends

All the Best and fair winds and even smoother sailing.

Thank you.

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https://archive.org/details/RahnOttoLucifersCourt

Here is the link if anyone needs it.

Before I forget, I already have...Big thanks to Romain for doing all this hard work, and supplying us with reading material.

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Great find HP !

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High strangeness on the road and destabilising this story with Orage.

Hope all goes well and you have a great time with Jon and soon Joe !

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Substack seems to have completely trashed the layout of the text, but use the link to download the working document directly.

This work is done in the evenings when I can and takes me several hours. As tiredness doesn't help, don't hesitate to point out any typing errors or ask for clarification if necessary.

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I didn't have time to reedit, sorry Romain we got a mountain to climb. That was posted and recorded at McDonalds in Arle, in Monsegur right now.

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Enjoy your trip mate,that whole area is magic,the cathar castles are something else. Did you say you were going to rennes le chatteax? It is very similar in layout to Glastonbury,hill in a plain surrounded by ring of hills. I followed that story for years,it was u who put me onto the rain books,very grateful,but did you know saunier built a second tower in girona? All the books and dvds I watched never mentioned this info,but it's in 2 books by Patrice chaplain, and the mystery seems to be an initiation centred on the sacred mountain of carnigou

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Amazing! Thanks Romain that's super kind of you! Jack you have some special followers here!

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