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Jack Heart's avatar

By now you should know me better nine. I'm not denying the existence of God, all I'm saying is just what was said in Silent Hill, "God is not here," only us lesser gods and some of us are responsible for this mess. As Dylan noted:

"In the valley of the giants where the stars and stripes explode

The peaches they were sweet and the milk and honey flowed

I was only following instructions when the judge sent me down the road

With your subpoena"

And if you want to know who's subpoena I am holding, look no further than the vermin who censor posts like this to talk about Donald Trump.

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HP's avatar

Audio is fine; it adds almost a Lynchian tone to this fine conversation. It sounds like Jack is in the future, and Phil's voice is coming from the thirties, but in a good way. So I will ask the obvious question: are we happy with the olive branch? But I think I already know the answer.

Gentlemen, especially Phil, great work. Be proud of yourself; you have a good heart.

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HP's avatar

Well, I’d better start writing about little bees and how honey is made... and look at this miracle crosspost works. It’s a miracle.

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Jack Heart's avatar

I wouldn't say I'm happy with it HP but if it's a big enough olive branch we can use it to beat them to death. Will they stop shadow banning us, will Patreon be held liable for the blatant criminal acts they committed against myself and people like Dr. Kevin Barrett, will AI be purged from social media and comment sections? Of course not. Facebook is making all the right noises so I've abandoned Twitter and the 1500 to 2000 views they bring us a week and I'm giving them a try. Let's see how it works out.

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HP's avatar

Agreed, let’s say it is the step in the right direction, to boldly go where no human was before... on Earth, days and nights will change, it is time to build the real Stonehenge.

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HP's avatar

What Really Happens After Your Last Breath (in details) -<<<"No BS">>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gycHQfrHn4

This is getting interesting... LOL

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WirbelAether's avatar

Hello, you guys might be interested in the dutch Doctor Pim van Lommel.

You find some more still on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZRD850LUiM

That said, I do have difficulty with the temple of quantum cult. Its atomism, materialism, purely theoretical, you need a (theoretical) particle to count it, to quantify nature, it is not how nature works, and it conceals the clueless with pretty silly math that doesn't really work out.

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Phil Hunter's avatar

Dr. Pim vid is another seeker making a general statement. Good statement too, but general. The "particle" physics maths are a means of describing how waveforms, vortices, toroids, and unknowns are measured when observed. In my opinion the attemps to define things on that scale are but stepping stones of "belief" meeting some individual's conscious evolutionary necessity on their road to greater understanding of what we call reality. The physicists are another subculture with their own terms and definitions to describe what they wish to communicate when they observe something new. Not so different from all seekers, just the language they use is foreign to the rest of the world. Not so different from religions or "special schools", etc. which hide their secrets through double entendre and special knowledge only for adepts.

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WirbelAether's avatar

I would ask a question a wave of what? You see the problem? Quantum physics lives from essentially undefined phenomenon, which they more or less only describe with math, but can't explain it.

I could define and explain for example what you mean by vortex, its essentially the dielectric sinks, or half a torus, what we call magnetic field. It is really the dielectric field with a magnetic field modality.

For example an electro magnet is stripped of its dielectric modality.

What quantum temple calls a "photon" is a misconception, they postulate a "light quant", which is really aether compression("longitudinal wave" of medium), and decompression, you get a toroidal dielectric field("EM field"). We just got a pulsing coaxial circuit, with light and electricity. Hence the electron is also not a particle like JJ Thompson already wrote, but a unit of dielectric induction. Thus the hydrogen "orbital" is the dielectric really, which is the negative geometric image of the torus.

There is really only one particle, aptly named proton, the first, and hydrogen "hard light".

A hint to Mr Orage if he reads it, Bismuth is the strongest natural dielectric element.

The Soviets ran until 1990 in Soviet occupied Germany a company called Wismut, and they mined besides Uranium like the company name says, Bismuth.

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Jack Heart's avatar

Nevertheless your wireless communication works doesn't it Wirbel? And by the way Logitudal waves/ Gravity waves are a reality, I've written about them in Black Sun Rising but I will ask you what ay first year physics student would ask you; prove it.

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WirbelAether's avatar

Gravity is just dielectric acceleration towards null/rest point in anti space(counter space, zero point, aether, pick you word, all the same), which has no cartesian coordinates. It is essentially the canceling out of space, erasure of space, which is the magnetic.

You know, magnets do not really attract each other, they accelerate toward a null point in between them.

Electrical engineering might call this ground, others call it electro statics, piezo electric, all the same thing. Electricity is a hybrid of the magnetic in amperes, and the dielectric in voltage. It not a thing on its own, same as space is not a thing on its own, or time is not a thing of its own, but just a measurement.

I am talking unified field here, that thing quantum will never solve. Telsa, Steinmetz, Heavyside all told us, but we listen to the guys they so heavily despised and who really produced nothing applicable.

I mean, do we really want to deal with "virtual photons" as the postulated cause of magnetism? Unicorns, really?

Those black project craft certainly don't have some particle drive, but a vectored field propulsion. :)

Its a matter how to view nature, to an atomist, everything is a nail and he is the hammer, he doesn't function without the nail.

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HP's avatar

I will start the sentence with an insult: 'the Quantum temple cult,' then I will insert a link. But hey, I am not trolling you, really, mate? I don’t think Jack needs help, but really... you don’t have anything better to do?

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WirbelAether's avatar

It is a religious like cult with quantum, predominantly jewish and in line with Kaballah.

Yet the so called "quantum computer" still works with essentially magnets and dielectric elements, which is not explained, and virtual ie made up particles introduced? I mean, sorry, not trolling, that's the reality of physics these days

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Jack Heart's avatar

If I made statements like this Wirbel without no citations right off the top of my head, I wouldn't need an entourage from the NSA. I would be laughed off the internet. Here maybe you ought to read about real scientific experiments done on the matter https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/9606171v4

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WirbelAether's avatar

Look, I think you misunderstand.

I am just asking a wave of what?

Quantum has excluded the medium, and think they observe a unique particle instead of just a (di)electric spark, so it leads to probabilities that never quite work out, because nature does not do probabilities, its human misconception. Nature is way more elegant and don't need a calculator.

My issue is, quantum does not explain anything, and hurl around words they themselves can't really define, moving goal posts. Tesla criticized this, among other electrical engineers. You want citations, read like JJ Thomson who discovered the electron and explicitly stated "not a particle", Bernie Steinmetz, and such.

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Jack Heart's avatar

He has no idea how much water is under the bridge between me and the Dutch, thank you Phil

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Jack Heart's avatar

Do wave equations work Wirbel. your television, your iPhone? I am not talking about particle physics. The only atoms recognized here are Gabor atoms which are frequency fluctuations, wavelets, photons, twenty-first century science. It's sounds like you've been on those electrical universe forums, long ago coopted by rubes who will tell you Einstein made up black holes when in reality they were postulated by the Marquis de Laplace and Einstein had to explain them to have any credibility. They also make outlandish statements like Quantum physics doesn't work when in fact all wireless communication is based on Erwin Schrödinger's equations. This is wave only physics Wirbel, its why your friends and neighbors and maybe even you see flying saucers and all then other crap they have that the New York Times and certainly not Ben Franklin's Almanac will ever tell you about. I have to tell you I've had enough of the Dutch, anwn aside. They are the Humans fifth largest audience and the NSA' s greatest rival. I'm like Guns and Roses bro, "my hands are tied, and I don't want to hear no more."

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WirbelAether's avatar

See my above reply please, I don't mean to offend you, its a philosophical question and debate since antiquity.

I just don't think atomism has the answers, and yes, the body is like a radio, there is no modulated signal in the radio, but this is what quantum and essentially official scientism claim. Dr Pim proved this wrong in a pretty big field study.

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Phil Hunter's avatar

As I read through all of the comments I realized that the the conversation took a turn down a rabbit hole. The series of conversations is about consciousness and its place in the universe. The science of measuring consciousness by the nature of science and consciousness both are imprecise. My point from the standpoint of a seeker of knowledge and an observer of the reality in which I have created is that there are many who have become so enamored by their faith, be it put in science, religion, doctors, or whomever, have misplaced their faith. As was said in the comments this is a discussion that goes back to antiquity and is a philosophic question and philo (love) as a part of any equation which is not measured only felt. That feeling is consciousness going beyond the measurements of physical body reactions to stimuli. This is of course why the immeasurable consciousness awareness unit will one day need to be included as part of any equations to truly attempt to explain the totality of the experiences as those experiences go beyond the science, religion or philosophy of the day. The striving to understand is called progress or if you will evolution of the consciousness. And each awareness unit will respond in its own way, that is the beauty of individuality. You choose for yourself where you put your faith. That faith being defined as a belief in something unseen and as yet immeasurable.

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Orage's avatar

Well, well, a lively, passionate discussion. I want to go back to the previous episode of our set of filters, an observation I've been arguing for 25 years. People say they only want to believe what they see with their own eyes. A fly sees very different, a dog smells things your limited sense can not perceive. Are those not real? Further, the biggest filter is put in place by our herders, called Dominion. They kill for it, literally, for their isms. Filters. So what I've experienced is not "a loud", the things under Jacks bed, not there, aether just a void, according to THEM, the political Pringles. So I welcome the fresh air, the dialogue, the seeking of unexpected things, most of all the active participation in the sensation, like bards being joined in by the tribe. Re-member

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Jack Heart's avatar

Don't get too excited, Wirbel turned out to be a paid troll when I had Phil track his email. The Dominion girls really hated this one Orage. VT just flat-out ghost posted it. And no bullshit had the follow ready the next day but I'm rejecting it on account of too many bible references. It's my way or more toasted cities and blizzards in Florida. Have a listen, "I can't I just can't" to quote Laura Palmer, even if they mean well. https://youtu.be/XSdEwzSsXoQ

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Phil Hunter's avatar

Thanks Orage. Language and writing are filters limited by someone's traditions and cultures definition of of the symbols used, be they words, sounds, pictures, etc. Programming (defining terms) from Mom, Dad, other family is where it starts. The psychology of the filter process is as deep as the study of the quantum connection.

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Orage's avatar

Gurdjieff had a saying, you may prefer to sleep. Becoming aware of my programming and taking ownership is base level, but essentiall. Without, no discernment, no steering your ship. Then, experience of other phenomena is possible and achievable. Some decent nlp 2 weekend classes are there to jump start stewardship of self and the journey that follows

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Orage's avatar

Mom, Dad programming examples are often self-limiting believes, like Money doesn't grow on trees, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Stuff like that. Once aware, you can still choose to follow, but at least it's an active choice, not programming. Basic freedom.

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Phil Hunter's avatar

The traditional and cultural influences are "ages" old. Discernment prior to choice is key.

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john pike's avatar

On another note,just watched eraser head last night,fuk me

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