Below is an English transliteration of a Russian documentary Orage dug up that will give you some idea of just how historically important Gurdjieff is.
True enough R, that's why if I must have a favorite its Crowley but then again Crowley and myself are anarchists, we believe the human race is naught but a bed of weeds that every once in a while, germinates a beautiful flower. That flower is far more important than the entire human race. Gurdjieff was going for optimum weed growth, and the weeds, they don't do well as the twenty-first century certainly proves unless micromanaged. Interestingly enough Crowley and Gurdjieff were friends, more than friends, twice Gurdjieff tried to rid Crowley of his drug addiction, but Crowley's will was just too strong even for Gurdjieff.
Never discount man's need for purpose and to be purposeful in life. See the freedoms, liberty, and individualism America has given the world today taking Anglo-Franco philosophy to its logical end. A people severely degraded and dehumanized from their forefathers who they knew better than anyone the necessary for restraint on the human inclinations leading to true freedom, liberty, and individualism. Self-governance knowing what you're capable without the restrictions where every now and then when things get stale you are forced to break those limitations to bring about something new.
America wants, and needs totalitarianism that's what its heart craves. From my limited experience in life I've discovered people don't want to lead, but follow. They don't want to be free, they want to be ruled preferably by a benevolent dictator and if he's forced to spank the children and shake them violently every now and then well it only makes the fear and love grow stronger depending on who you are individually as you progress in life.
IMO there's nothing wrong with totalitarianism as its just another phase on the path and serves a purpose often times long after it comes and goes moving humanity along. Also looking around people want to be connected to something bigger. The government we have has pushed people into isolation beyond the limits that should be tolerable. It'll take a government of equal stature to bring humanity back together again. We're long past the point where a million individuals are going to somehow live in a functional harmony with nature and its occupants. The iron hand is going to be needed either which way you slice it from my perspective. Whether the Left or Right, or a Third Power. The steel gauntlet is whats coming not the boxing gloves.
' if they were not satisfied with his leading ability they would chose another one' Saxons had the same principle, until the betrayal of the dukes, Ottonians and hereditary feudalism that degenerated all the way down to where we are today. The duties of princes, long forgotten. Must be a Nordic thing
I can't help but laugh when people want Heroes to come save them. You killed them all and replaced them with your Heroes. Your transgender models, your homosexual liberation, your black lives matter and your sensitive moral compassionate tolerate fellows to your left and right. The world is drowning in heroes! What the world is actually crying for is a villain, a devil, a Hitler. Someone they can place all their blame on and target like a punching bag. Like Heath Ledger told Batman, "I don't want to kill you silly! I NEED YOU! You complete me!" Without a devil you get the world we're living in and as a good friend has said many times, "be careful of who you make into devils like Hitler because nobody even after the war could agree he's dead and now a myth, a legend." Worst thing you can do is make someone into a devil and not kill them. Like the saying, "If you take a shot at the King don't fucking miss".
I especially liked the part about looking inside your own festering closet of yourself...
Such an essential practice.
The parental observation is also so accurate, you see them everyday, those that have not birthed and raised another, and experienced all the joy, heartache, and rage thus foisted upon their soul. Ohh the cost... But, ahh to the realisations.
If most are asleep, they aren't even dreaming, their ego has subsumed them...
Bedding beautiful women and wrapping strong men (who stronger than Stalin?) around your finger to achieve your purpose is the signature of a master. In the morning of the magicians no one was better at in than Gurdjieff, except possibly Crowley. As for people like Orage being forgotten l'aryensoufi, I don't know about that one. Where do you think my co-writer got his name?
What little I know from reading Gurdjieff, and others accounts of him/works on him, leaves many more questions than answers, which I suppose has left its mark on me, and my own style of approaching this existence.
Thank you for sharing Jack (another timely piece).
I have a Russian in-law currently living in the UK, I may have to watch the clip with her and get a translation over the festive period...
At one point in my life, I was compelled to read a multitude of books by so-called 'mystics' and discovered Gurdjieff. I became quite involved in his ideas, read many books, joined a group. Started reading and studying many of the Fourth Way authors that worked with Gurdjieff also.
Interestingly, like Crowley, Casteneda, Huxley, Leary, and many other 'mystics', Gurdjieff was allegedly a spy. J.G. Bennett, one of his chief acolytes, was British Intelligence. I had found this an odd pattern, but one that kept coming up. It goes back to John Dee, the original 007, and probably even further back to the whisperers who consulted the Pharaohs. Spooks involved in Magic(k), sorcery and mysticism. And cults. Lots of cults.
I had also been studying Intelligence agencies and deep state think tanks, and the kind of work they really do, (instead of the pulp fiction and film fantasy context in which they're famously portrayed). This had been an interest ever since I discovered almost every one of my favorite writers growing up at one time or another had ties or alleged ties to Intelligence agencies.
The line between the deep state spooks and the sorcerers, shamans, witches and magicians gets blurred at times. What's the difference between a psychological operation a deep state Intelligence agency is running and a Chaos Magick operation? Aren't both attempts at altering reality using ritual and creativity? Aren't we living in a world where the population is ruled by these very means? As they sleep.
Likewise, through my own research, all roads lead back to 'intelligence' agencies... Maybe the clue is in the name?
So much has been obscured or out right erased from the thoughts and consciousness of us (hu)men that are not 'connected' with those that retain such 'information' - and ultimately 'power'.
For is that not the modus operandi of such agencies, the harbouring of information? The utilisation of power to effect desired change?
Such knowledge/power was/is deemed too dangerous for the mass of (hu)man population, and yet just like the devil's trick to make us believe he doesn't exist, the same obfuscation has been played with the inner workings of existence (and those that can utilise such).
The sleeping toil and die, while the chosen to be 'awakened' are given free licence and aid... 007's indeed.
I have an elderly psychic friend who worked for the Metropolitan Police for a short while aiding with solving cold cases. She was offered an opportunity to join a particular agency, but flat out declined and changed her identity (lucky for her she has friends in high places thanks to her parents). She always tells me that people such as her are used/enslaved by such agencies and are rarely seen again...
The 'intelligence' agencies are certainly more than they seem, and the pyramid scales the heights through the clouds to its summit...
Actually, calling guys like Crowley and Gurdjieff spy's is like calling the Rockefellers gas station attendants, at the top of the pyramidon sits the Master Magi, the intelligence agencies are just one of his tools, no spy knows why he really does anything, only the puppeteer does; Crowley, Gurdjieff, Rahn and Parsons come to mind immediately, Aquino is another...
That is what Crowley meant when he took the motto of the hell fire club; “Fais ce que tu voudras [Do as thou Wilt] and turned it into a religion later promulgated by L Ron Hubbard as scientology. Exorcise all the demons and then act only according to one's own will, not theirs. Scientology uses a machine, and they call it auditing. Crowley's method, to just endure through it, is fraught with danger but far more effective. As for Rahn, maybe he wasn't a master before he found the Grail, as in Garil or stone, but certainly was after. You need to watch Secret Glory, that lays it out for you as does Rahn himself at the end Lucifers Court when he talks about using the stone to write a new story. My own life is inextricably bound to his story, but I don't expect you to just take my word for it l'aryensoufi watch Secret Glory...
And wonderful in(re)ference to Pyramidon, in its guise as an analgesic. The analgesic that is completely absorbed by (hu)man metabolism, and thus renders the (hu)man puppets free from the puppeteers inflicted pain (and probably knowledge thereof).
Most of the individuals we observe (apparently) running the show are all having their strings pulled by another...
What a knot of strings that must entail as one ascends up the pole...
I was schooled by the Master spy; he once sent me an old article by a British spy master from back in the day. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the piece and it's lost to posterity. LOL, or at least my paid subscribers. Anyway, what the guy said is that spies are the most deluded people there are, they only know what affirms their assigned task, regardless of facts which they are never told anyway. Only the master spy knows the true purpose they are working towards.
Yes, this is what I have discovered as well. A vast amount of people who have dug a little niche in life, and peacefully died. Yet lived for another forty or fifty years -- if you call that life. As Jack has pointed out, time has no effect on the certain few . . .
Apologies for this ahead of time, but I am rather preoccupied with death and its reach...
A story of a woman, terminally ill, who went to France to spend her last days with the Gurdjief community. There were concerns about her welfare, and an agent was dispatched to report on her condition and care. It seems her family did not exactly trust the reputation of the master.
The agent discovered her sleeping in a barn with the cows.
He reported, much to his own astonishment, that she was completely at peace with her prognosis, and that sustaining herself on simple fair, upon her bed of hay was no hardship, as she was quite happy she wouldn't be returning home.
The agent respected her wishes, as she was quite cognizant, and understood fully what her choice meant.
Whatever one can say about Gurdjief, this story alone should reveal that he was more than a political figure.
Daniel Liszt, aka Dark Journalist, has covered Gurdjieff many times. I don't find much, if anything, scandalous or laudatory written about the mystic/guru/donation recipient in pop media. Books by a couple of his female students are a bit too expensive in exchange for satisfaction of my curiosity. Can be found on Amazon. Gurdjieff and some devotees undertook an arduous trek across the Caucasus, according to a brief mention in something I read. I eventually tracked down an account of the journey in a book by Gurdjieff's son that is sold, used, on Amazon.com for $20.00. Title: "My Dear Father Gurdjieff" See below for synopsis.
Another book about life with Gurdieff was written by the Ukrainian-born composer and creative collaborator, Thomas Hartmann, and Thomas's wife, Olga Hartman. Scribd.com subscribers can read and download it on Scribd.com. A free, scanned version is currently on an obscure (to me) Brazilian web site. It's called "Our Life with Mr Gurdjieff"
Nikolai de Stjernvall was always close to his "dear father," G.I. Gurdjieff, but especially so during the few months between 1937 and 1938 when he served as his father's attendant and collected such rich experiences. As the only person who lived with Gurdjieff to ever write about him, Nikolai's account is invaluable for providing an intimate and human perspective of his subject unavailable elsewhere. Supplementing his memoirs are two texts by Elizaveta de Stjernvall, his mother, including her account of her trek with Gurdjieff 's entourage across the Caucasus evading the Russian Revolution, and Adele Kafian's account of caring for Katherine Mansfield at Gurdjieff 's Institute during her final days. Nikolai's frankness, Elizaveta's devotion, and Adele's compassion are all faithfully maintained in the translation of Paul Beekman Taylor, Nikolai's boyhood friend who also lived at the Prieuré in his youth.
Thank you for these links, Canada, you might enjoy the audio book I included at the bottom of the post, it's all about his journeys through the Caucasus
The proper way to see his Church is first who is Jesus? Whoever he was as the story is told, he was murdered by Jews who controlled the Roman government, given a kangaroo trial, was horribly beaten and hung upon a stick to die.
He defeated death by stick and rose again, meeting three women at his tomb, after rising, because all the men abandoned him for fear of the jews, and those women announced his rising to all those men who were afraid of the jew that he has risen!
He preached to those cowardly men for 40 days to build a Church led by him, and then took his leave of this world after 40 days promising to send his Spirit.
Notice how after his accension that he left the Jew in charge? Why? Because that is the purpose of his Church to reign in the Jew in this world. The world we have now ? Totally inverted! The last and best Jesus was in the last century and his name?
True enough R, that's why if I must have a favorite its Crowley but then again Crowley and myself are anarchists, we believe the human race is naught but a bed of weeds that every once in a while, germinates a beautiful flower. That flower is far more important than the entire human race. Gurdjieff was going for optimum weed growth, and the weeds, they don't do well as the twenty-first century certainly proves unless micromanaged. Interestingly enough Crowley and Gurdjieff were friends, more than friends, twice Gurdjieff tried to rid Crowley of his drug addiction, but Crowley's will was just too strong even for Gurdjieff.
Never discount man's need for purpose and to be purposeful in life. See the freedoms, liberty, and individualism America has given the world today taking Anglo-Franco philosophy to its logical end. A people severely degraded and dehumanized from their forefathers who they knew better than anyone the necessary for restraint on the human inclinations leading to true freedom, liberty, and individualism. Self-governance knowing what you're capable without the restrictions where every now and then when things get stale you are forced to break those limitations to bring about something new.
America wants, and needs totalitarianism that's what its heart craves. From my limited experience in life I've discovered people don't want to lead, but follow. They don't want to be free, they want to be ruled preferably by a benevolent dictator and if he's forced to spank the children and shake them violently every now and then well it only makes the fear and love grow stronger depending on who you are individually as you progress in life.
IMO there's nothing wrong with totalitarianism as its just another phase on the path and serves a purpose often times long after it comes and goes moving humanity along. Also looking around people want to be connected to something bigger. The government we have has pushed people into isolation beyond the limits that should be tolerable. It'll take a government of equal stature to bring humanity back together again. We're long past the point where a million individuals are going to somehow live in a functional harmony with nature and its occupants. The iron hand is going to be needed either which way you slice it from my perspective. Whether the Left or Right, or a Third Power. The steel gauntlet is whats coming not the boxing gloves.
' if they were not satisfied with his leading ability they would chose another one' Saxons had the same principle, until the betrayal of the dukes, Ottonians and hereditary feudalism that degenerated all the way down to where we are today. The duties of princes, long forgotten. Must be a Nordic thing
I can't help but laugh when people want Heroes to come save them. You killed them all and replaced them with your Heroes. Your transgender models, your homosexual liberation, your black lives matter and your sensitive moral compassionate tolerate fellows to your left and right. The world is drowning in heroes! What the world is actually crying for is a villain, a devil, a Hitler. Someone they can place all their blame on and target like a punching bag. Like Heath Ledger told Batman, "I don't want to kill you silly! I NEED YOU! You complete me!" Without a devil you get the world we're living in and as a good friend has said many times, "be careful of who you make into devils like Hitler because nobody even after the war could agree he's dead and now a myth, a legend." Worst thing you can do is make someone into a devil and not kill them. Like the saying, "If you take a shot at the King don't fucking miss".
No more heroes. Give me the devils.
Astute comment l'aryensoufi.
I especially liked the part about looking inside your own festering closet of yourself...
Such an essential practice.
The parental observation is also so accurate, you see them everyday, those that have not birthed and raised another, and experienced all the joy, heartache, and rage thus foisted upon their soul. Ohh the cost... But, ahh to the realisations.
If most are asleep, they aren't even dreaming, their ego has subsumed them...
Thank you.
Bedding beautiful women and wrapping strong men (who stronger than Stalin?) around your finger to achieve your purpose is the signature of a master. In the morning of the magicians no one was better at in than Gurdjieff, except possibly Crowley. As for people like Orage being forgotten l'aryensoufi, I don't know about that one. Where do you think my co-writer got his name?
Does that apply for women as well, the signature of a master?
Fascinating...
What little I know from reading Gurdjieff, and others accounts of him/works on him, leaves many more questions than answers, which I suppose has left its mark on me, and my own style of approaching this existence.
Thank you for sharing Jack (another timely piece).
I have a Russian in-law currently living in the UK, I may have to watch the clip with her and get a translation over the festive period...
At one point in my life, I was compelled to read a multitude of books by so-called 'mystics' and discovered Gurdjieff. I became quite involved in his ideas, read many books, joined a group. Started reading and studying many of the Fourth Way authors that worked with Gurdjieff also.
Interestingly, like Crowley, Casteneda, Huxley, Leary, and many other 'mystics', Gurdjieff was allegedly a spy. J.G. Bennett, one of his chief acolytes, was British Intelligence. I had found this an odd pattern, but one that kept coming up. It goes back to John Dee, the original 007, and probably even further back to the whisperers who consulted the Pharaohs. Spooks involved in Magic(k), sorcery and mysticism. And cults. Lots of cults.
I had also been studying Intelligence agencies and deep state think tanks, and the kind of work they really do, (instead of the pulp fiction and film fantasy context in which they're famously portrayed). This had been an interest ever since I discovered almost every one of my favorite writers growing up at one time or another had ties or alleged ties to Intelligence agencies.
The line between the deep state spooks and the sorcerers, shamans, witches and magicians gets blurred at times. What's the difference between a psychological operation a deep state Intelligence agency is running and a Chaos Magick operation? Aren't both attempts at altering reality using ritual and creativity? Aren't we living in a world where the population is ruled by these very means? As they sleep.
Good point(s) Nemo.
Likewise, through my own research, all roads lead back to 'intelligence' agencies... Maybe the clue is in the name?
So much has been obscured or out right erased from the thoughts and consciousness of us (hu)men that are not 'connected' with those that retain such 'information' - and ultimately 'power'.
For is that not the modus operandi of such agencies, the harbouring of information? The utilisation of power to effect desired change?
Such knowledge/power was/is deemed too dangerous for the mass of (hu)man population, and yet just like the devil's trick to make us believe he doesn't exist, the same obfuscation has been played with the inner workings of existence (and those that can utilise such).
The sleeping toil and die, while the chosen to be 'awakened' are given free licence and aid... 007's indeed.
I have an elderly psychic friend who worked for the Metropolitan Police for a short while aiding with solving cold cases. She was offered an opportunity to join a particular agency, but flat out declined and changed her identity (lucky for her she has friends in high places thanks to her parents). She always tells me that people such as her are used/enslaved by such agencies and are rarely seen again...
The 'intelligence' agencies are certainly more than they seem, and the pyramid scales the heights through the clouds to its summit...
Actually, calling guys like Crowley and Gurdjieff spy's is like calling the Rockefellers gas station attendants, at the top of the pyramidon sits the Master Magi, the intelligence agencies are just one of his tools, no spy knows why he really does anything, only the puppeteer does; Crowley, Gurdjieff, Rahn and Parsons come to mind immediately, Aquino is another...
That is what Crowley meant when he took the motto of the hell fire club; “Fais ce que tu voudras [Do as thou Wilt] and turned it into a religion later promulgated by L Ron Hubbard as scientology. Exorcise all the demons and then act only according to one's own will, not theirs. Scientology uses a machine, and they call it auditing. Crowley's method, to just endure through it, is fraught with danger but far more effective. As for Rahn, maybe he wasn't a master before he found the Grail, as in Garil or stone, but certainly was after. You need to watch Secret Glory, that lays it out for you as does Rahn himself at the end Lucifers Court when he talks about using the stone to write a new story. My own life is inextricably bound to his story, but I don't expect you to just take my word for it l'aryensoufi watch Secret Glory...
This is as good a version as it gets
https://jackheart.substack.com/p/otto-rahn-hidden-master-or-madman?s=w
Excellent analogy Jack.
And wonderful in(re)ference to Pyramidon, in its guise as an analgesic. The analgesic that is completely absorbed by (hu)man metabolism, and thus renders the (hu)man puppets free from the puppeteers inflicted pain (and probably knowledge thereof).
Most of the individuals we observe (apparently) running the show are all having their strings pulled by another...
What a knot of strings that must entail as one ascends up the pole...
I was schooled by the Master spy; he once sent me an old article by a British spy master from back in the day. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the piece and it's lost to posterity. LOL, or at least my paid subscribers. Anyway, what the guy said is that spies are the most deluded people there are, they only know what affirms their assigned task, regardless of facts which they are never told anyway. Only the master spy knows the true purpose they are working towards.
LOL... Does that then make you Shaykh al-Jabal (the Old Man of the Mountain) Jack?
No offence intended...
In some ways it's reassuring that few know the whole story, it shatters their omnipotent and omnipresent image.
I would call them postal workers.
Did you know uspostal has historical worker shortages?
My dear homeschooling kids call it Silent quiting.
It means your employed but resigned to your situation.
So you quit.
Accepting the fact that you shall have nothing.
So you move back in with your parents who quit long ago and share nothing together.
That is the realty I see.
Yes, this is what I have discovered as well. A vast amount of people who have dug a little niche in life, and peacefully died. Yet lived for another forty or fifty years -- if you call that life. As Jack has pointed out, time has no effect on the certain few . . .
Thanx guys.
Apologies for this ahead of time, but I am rather preoccupied with death and its reach...
A story of a woman, terminally ill, who went to France to spend her last days with the Gurdjief community. There were concerns about her welfare, and an agent was dispatched to report on her condition and care. It seems her family did not exactly trust the reputation of the master.
The agent discovered her sleeping in a barn with the cows.
He reported, much to his own astonishment, that she was completely at peace with her prognosis, and that sustaining herself on simple fair, upon her bed of hay was no hardship, as she was quite happy she wouldn't be returning home.
The agent respected her wishes, as she was quite cognizant, and understood fully what her choice meant.
Whatever one can say about Gurdjief, this story alone should reveal that he was more than a political figure.
MK
Daniel Liszt, aka Dark Journalist, has covered Gurdjieff many times. I don't find much, if anything, scandalous or laudatory written about the mystic/guru/donation recipient in pop media. Books by a couple of his female students are a bit too expensive in exchange for satisfaction of my curiosity. Can be found on Amazon. Gurdjieff and some devotees undertook an arduous trek across the Caucasus, according to a brief mention in something I read. I eventually tracked down an account of the journey in a book by Gurdjieff's son that is sold, used, on Amazon.com for $20.00. Title: "My Dear Father Gurdjieff" See below for synopsis.
Another book about life with Gurdieff was written by the Ukrainian-born composer and creative collaborator, Thomas Hartmann, and Thomas's wife, Olga Hartman. Scribd.com subscribers can read and download it on Scribd.com. A free, scanned version is currently on an obscure (to me) Brazilian web site. It's called "Our Life with Mr Gurdjieff"
Here: http://imagomundi.com.br/quarto_caminho/hartmann.pdf
More on "My Dear Father Gurdjieff"
Paperback – December 18, 2016
by Nikolai De Stjernvall
Amazon.com Synopsis
Nikolai de Stjernvall was always close to his "dear father," G.I. Gurdjieff, but especially so during the few months between 1937 and 1938 when he served as his father's attendant and collected such rich experiences. As the only person who lived with Gurdjieff to ever write about him, Nikolai's account is invaluable for providing an intimate and human perspective of his subject unavailable elsewhere. Supplementing his memoirs are two texts by Elizaveta de Stjernvall, his mother, including her account of her trek with Gurdjieff 's entourage across the Caucasus evading the Russian Revolution, and Adele Kafian's account of caring for Katherine Mansfield at Gurdjieff 's Institute during her final days. Nikolai's frankness, Elizaveta's devotion, and Adele's compassion are all faithfully maintained in the translation of Paul Beekman Taylor, Nikolai's boyhood friend who also lived at the Prieuré in his youth.
Thank you for these links, Canada, you might enjoy the audio book I included at the bottom of the post, it's all about his journeys through the Caucasus
I sure will. Thank you. Personal accounts of treks on foot are my favorite reading material.
The proper way to see his Church is first who is Jesus? Whoever he was as the story is told, he was murdered by Jews who controlled the Roman government, given a kangaroo trial, was horribly beaten and hung upon a stick to die.
He defeated death by stick and rose again, meeting three women at his tomb, after rising, because all the men abandoned him for fear of the jews, and those women announced his rising to all those men who were afraid of the jew that he has risen!
He preached to those cowardly men for 40 days to build a Church led by him, and then took his leave of this world after 40 days promising to send his Spirit.
Notice how after his accension that he left the Jew in charge? Why? Because that is the purpose of his Church to reign in the Jew in this world. The world we have now ? Totally inverted! The last and best Jesus was in the last century and his name?
Adolph Hitler
Jack, in your experience don't magical women run in threes?
I have a mother a wife and a daughter.
Perfect trinity I see.
Even the Bible you hate tells such truths.
Truth is female in nature
Spirit I see is the gender of the heart inhabited
Spirit has no gender Paul said
However, heart Spirit ruled? Gender irrelevant
Spirit is I Am
Yes, the three sisters, the three norns, the three faiths, the three triads of the Qabalah, three Matilda's, three Ottos and three Brunos