Nuclear Physicist Galen Winsor Debunks Radioactive Fallout by Eating Cesium (Wait for It!) Contributed by Fun Times

In LUCIFER in the Temple of the Dog I I or at least Bruce Cathie made it quite clear what I think of their so said Nuclear Bombs. If so, how does nuclear power work? Why are there thriving cities at the detonation sites in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Why hasn’t Fukushima killed us all? Why is Chernobyl flora and fauna thriving? This is a military man responsible for the design of many of the earlier reactors. He’ll answer those questions. - Jack

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0:18 i’m pleased to have as our guest Mr galen Windsor from Richland Washington i

0:24 first heard of Galen from a tape that somebody gave to me some months ago and I found his story to be absolutely

0:31 fascinating his story is unique to say the least

0:37 galen has been in 77 different cities in the last two years lecturing on the subject of nuclear energy the majority

0:46 of his life the last 35 years he’s spent processing plutonium from nuclear

0:53 reactor sites he has worked in the Manhattan Project facilities in Hanford

0:58 Washington Oakridge National Laboratories and nuclear plant in Oakridge Tennessee

1:05 General Electric’s Midwest Fuel Recovery Plant in Morris Illinois general Electric’s fuel fabrication facility in

1:12 San Jose California and Wilmington North Carolina and he’s worked in every major

1:19 reactor decommissioning project around this nation up to this present time his

1:25 major work in these projects has been the analytical process inventory control

1:31which means that he was responsible for measuring and controlling the nuclear

1:37 fuel inventory for these projects galen Windsor has few peers in the world

1:46 in this area of expertise and those few peers admittedly know and agree with the

1:52 things that you’ll be hearing on this tape however except for two or three of these experts they’ve all chosen to

1:59 remain silent for reasons which they only know leaving this man then the

2:05 burden of leading this lonely battle of exposing what we call the nuclear scare

2:11 scam he’s without question one of the world’s foremost authorities in nuclear radiation measurement

2:18 and he’s recognized by members of the atomic energy commissions of all the major nations of the free world

2:24 mr gayen Windsor

2:33 god bless you thank you man

2:49 we’ve been considering today how best to approach this subject so that you would feel comfortable with where I am and we

2:56 thought it might be appropriate to start with how I got involved in this game

3:03 now in 1945 I was a Navy radio out in the Pacific on a destroyer

3:11 aimed for Japan we had a one-way ticket that’s all you get just one way so as we

3:19uh were becoming proficient at our business of fighting war

3:28 the Manhattan Project caught up with us and did a job

3:33 now the weapon that was dropped on Hiroshima Japan in August 6th 1945 was a

3:39 U235 fully enriched U235 weapon where the material was separated and purified

3:46 in Oakidge Tennessee the one that was dropped August 9th on

3:51 Nagasaki was a plutonium weapon made at Hanford

3:58 but to those of us out in the Pacific it was quite interesting it had a ticket on it that says you get

4:05 to go home i was impressed now I was stuck out on Guam after the

4:13 hostilities quit and was running a radio broadcast that communicated with 4,500

4:19 ships west of Pearl Harbor quite a few to listen to every dot and dash that I made so I I was used to

4:27 having people listening to me they couldn’t see me they could sure hear me i had all the good messages that were to

4:33 come to them fleet movements to Red Cross messages

4:40 they came along one day and says “We’d like to have radiomen to go down to Anowk for the atomic bomb tests.”

4:49 Not me no way i want to go home so they

4:54 went through and they took every third radioman to go to Anow

4:59 i didn’t go they let me come home but I wanted to go home

5:05 i had a driving need within me that says “Hey that big firecracker

5:11 I want to know how it works i want to know everything about how it

5:16 works.” So back to the ranch in Nevada where I

5:22 grew up and stacked hay all summer gained back the 40 lbs that I’d lost out

5:28 there in the islands

5:33 into Brigham Y Young University the fall of 46 in chemistry classes

5:40 dr joseph Nichols could make an old farm kid like me love chemistry

5:47 i hadn’t had any chemistry in high school but the way Joe Nichols taught it I wanted to know so chemistry it was and

5:58 some neat guys like Carl Irene taught me physics and long in

6:05 47 I ran across a cute blonde from Richland Washington

6:10 now this girl had been telephone operator for General Lesley Groves and

6:15 Dr enrico Fermy on the Manhattan project she got to put through the calls to

6:21 Franklin Delano Roosevelt for these guys so she talked personally to FDR

6:27 and she told me some of the stories like you’ve never heard she says “Oh in those

6:33 canyons great things are done.” This cowboy from Nevada couldn’t even

6:39 imagine what she was talking about well in 1947 after we were married

6:47 let’s see I ran until she caught me but I wasn’t going to get married anyway i

6:52 wanted to get my education i had to get on with this thing and so we went to Richland Washington for the first time in September of 1947

7:03 i saw that those buildings she was talking about were there thousand ft long 11 stories high

7:10 five of them below ground uh tremendous things

7:16 and people all over camp Hanford in those days was a whole army camp just

7:21 there to secure that place to provide security thousands of soldiers

7:28 you move around out in the desert and hop out of a foxhole and pop a soldier with a gun in his hand there wasn’t any

7:36 horsing around it was all business

7:41 back to school in 1950

7:46 I applied for a job up there before I had graduated and they were so in such bad need a

7:52 chemist i had a job before I had my degree and so the last year my chemistry

7:57 mostly English I did on a bus riding 25 miles to work in the morning and 25

8:03 miles back at night and I did advanced grammar and business writing and all of

8:08 those things on that bus but in September 1950 I got into this

8:14 thing called plutonium processing when we did it bare-handed

8:19 without instruments without coveralls

8:25 we had some of the most peculiar acid burns in some of the shirts and I found one of those the other day it’s got acid

8:32 burns all up the front of it plutonium on it too

8:38 amazing that was normal operation in those days we ran those facilities and

8:45 we ran them so well that by 1965

8:52 we had separated enough plutonium when it only existed in the parent

8:59 uranium matrix to a half of a single weight percent

9:05 0005 weight fraction of plutonium maximum in

9:11 that fuel and we processed enough tons of uranium to recover enough plutonium

9:18 by 1965 to meet the weapons needs of this country

9:24 10 times over for the foreseeable future

9:30 now we’re talking about a massive amount of work hands-on do it type thing and

9:38 there was a couple thousand of us and we were just happy as could be just working like mad making those plants run 24

9:44 hours a day seven days a week in a community

9:50 that ran on shift work ABCD shift the whole community that way a wartime

9:58 community people dedicated to doing a job and we were doing it and we did it well

10:04 no pretense oh yes there were out in the reactor

10:10 began to sneak in people who wanted a radiation monitor behind every reactor

10:17 operator why

10:22 we know how to make these things run when we got a metal fuel element stuck and it fell down on the trampoline back

10:29 of the reactor we’d go in with our feet and kick it off into the pool smoking burning

10:36 if you didn’t have an instrument you didn’t know it was too hot so you just went in and kicked it

10:43 finally along came a rulemaker that says “Thou shalt not do that you’ll get

10:49 burned.” Oh I didn’t get burned when I did it last

10:55 week but you exceeded the limit well where did this limit come from

11:02 turns out that in 1934 the International Commission on

11:08 Radiation Protection fabricated a limit for X-rays

11:15 it was no longer permissible to be burned by them irrima reening of the skin

11:23 you now had to keep a limit called 2/10en of an R per day how much is that

11:31 well you’ve got to have one of these Beckman instruments to read it and you

11:36 have to keep time of exposure you know there are four requirements on this

11:42 thing the size of the source the therefore the strength of the source

11:51 the distance from the source the time of exposure and the intervening shielding

11:56 to keep from getting burned oh fine we’ve been doing this thing for years

12:03 now and we’ve never been burned why have we got these rules and they says “Yours is not to ask questions yours is to do

12:10 and die don’t you ask questions if you do

12:16 you might disappear those who broke the rules didn’t appear the next day.”

12:25 Military rule oh yes absolute what was your appeal

12:31 and people you were working with one day when they weren’t there the next day you didn’t go inquire why

12:38 you were just grateful you still had your work to do and you kept right on doing it now this is in the United

12:44 States of America well in 1960 we found out that the uh

12:52 materials that we were working with the thing that we called high level waste that if you waited three years

13:00 these million gallon tanks that high level waste went into boiled off 15,000

13:05 gallons of water a day fairly hot oh yes

13:12 this material that if it ever broke a line would seal itself off in the ground within a foot make its own glass it

13:20 wasn’t going to go any place we did that a time or two accidentally of course and

13:25 so we started packaging this cesium 137 in

13:31 cast in railroad cars like that and shipping it to Oakidge Tennessee and

13:37 they take it out and make it into a barerium titanate and press it into a pellet and those

13:44 things were so hot that they actually glowed in the dark from the infrared heat

13:50 now thermmoionic conversions came along at

13:56 this time so you hook these little heat sources up to thermionic converters and

14:02 you took electricity out this side no moving parts these things went into the

14:08 SNAP program and these uh early SNAP power generators are what

14:17 power the underwater transmitters for our nuclear navy we’ve got a regular road map under the

14:23 sea all you got to do is have an instrument that knows how to find it and then you’ve got eyes on a submarine you

14:29 didn’t know that did you the power from it came from this material that they now

14:34 call waste we processed that stuff and packaged it outside at Hanford or we had rules that

14:42 said 3R per year is your allowable exposure that amount of gamma energy

14:48 that will expose a film pack but that was for the people that uh didn’t know

14:53 we weren’t about to follow those rules we just went ahead and did the job they

14:59 sent around an investigation slip that says your doimeter was overexposed two

15:04 weeks ago what did you do and they had a cute little form on it that says accidentally exposed to light and that

15:10 was the one I always used to check because it’s the same amount of light

15:16 you know if you get gamma through the film pack it’s the same amount of light as you get when you click the lens on a

15:23 camera they wanted to limit us to that

15:29 and one day we looked up and they had they had limited us to that amount of

15:37 exposure then the fun part of the game begins you

15:43 say who limited us to that are they powerful

15:50 yeah they control the purse strings they live by the golden rule them that’s

15:56 got the gold makes the rules if you like your work you keep the rules

16:02 if you don’t keep the rules you disappear sure enough some of us disappeared some

16:09 of my friends gone where’d they go i don’t know well two years ago I started traveling

16:16 for American Opinion Speakers Bureau and one of the documents that they had was Major Jordan’s diary

16:24 a story of shipping the technology and the material

16:29 that was developed at Hanford in 1944 directly to Russia

16:35 on US Air Force planes out through Great Falls Montana Fairbanks Alaska

16:42 under under the opices of one Harry Hopkins and with the at least tacid approval of

16:49 Franklin Delano Roosevelt now what are you going to do

16:56 that thing that we had been doing and feeling so good about had been shared at no expense with

17:03 Russia you go back and you check the record and you find Russia did not develop their

17:11 own nuclear atomic weapon until 1949 even when we supplied them the material

17:18 and the knowledge four years after we touched them off at

17:24Hiroshima and Nagasaki we weren’t happy with that

17:31 we were just happy doing our job well in 1965 General Electric was ready to leave

17:38 Hanford i’d worked for General Electric for that 15 years and they took me out

17:44 to California San Jose and we had in mind to design

17:50 and build this nuclear fuel reprocessing plant at Morris Illinois they told me

17:55 they were going to build it at San Louis Abyspo that’s how they got me away from Hanford but that was just to get me away

18:00 from Hanford i got to design the sampling analytical system for this plant the sample cell

18:08 was the hydraulic heart of this place i got to dictate where they put the

18:13 columns how high the columns were in relation to my sample cell one man

18:18 standing in front of a lead glass window could sample any liquid stream in that whole plant

18:26 it took crews of men at Hanford to do the same thing i wasn’t happy with that

18:32 so I built an efficient system i got to design that i got to build it conceptual

18:38 design detail design build it operationally test it and in 1973 they

18:46 says “Forget it friends you don’t get to run it.” We had 170 tons metric tons of spent

18:53 fuel stored in the basin and the then president of the United States do you remember who it was jerry Ford says

19:01 “Uh-uh friends no way you don’t get to run it.” That’s when I started to kick over the

19:08 traces up to that point of time I thoroughly enjoyed my work i had no

19:14 limitations practical limitations i had all the money to spend i was in charge of the design effort i built it the way

19:21 that I wanted to because it was technically correct all I had to do was check with engineers and make sure that

19:27 it was right and all of a sudden I was told “You must reduce your limits of

19:34 exposure by a factor of 10.” I says “Huh i won’t do it.”

19:40 First thing you know you got the word that says “Oh yes you will.” I says “No

19:45 way.” Well that’s when the rebel Gayen Windsor started to show up

19:51 and when I found out that by management conference I couldn’t get to these guys I figured out another way now in this

19:58 pool is in this plant is a beautiful pool it’s got uh

20:06 a place to store spent fuel bundles till it won’t stop

20:11 660,000 gallons of water demineralized just as clear and pretty as it can be

20:20 heated to 100 degrees Fahrenheit when the outside temperatures are minus 20 windchill factors down to a minus 60 and

20:28 I found out that I could swim in that rascal you turn off the lights at night and it had a light blue corenoff effect

20:37 and this kid from Nevada that never could pass up a warm swimming hole used to go swimming in that pool there wasn’t

20:44 anybody that had the nerve to swim with me but since I was manager of safety and analytical service of this plant it was

20:51 mine to use oh boy

20:57 i found out that I could do that i showed some financial types one time that I could stir that pool with my bare

21:04 hand and check out through the same radiation monitors they did without triggering it

21:11 ge didn’t like it i got a letter from them that says “Thou shalt not tell financial types that you can swim in the

21:17 pool that you can stir it with your hand because if they find that out they will steal the inventory

21:24 they will know that the inventory can be stolen.” Oh is that an valuable inventory

21:32 the same material that’s labeled high level waste by our current government

21:39 our current Congress now plutonium is an interesting chemical

21:45 element it is created in a nuclear reactor

21:51 the Manhattan project built eight of these reactors at Hanford the first one

21:56 took 12 months from sagebrush to nuclear steam to build and had never

22:03 been done in that size before how could they do that why did they do

22:10 it to create this element called plutonium

22:15 plutonium has been assessed as being the most hazardous

22:21 material on Earth now from the standpoint that you can make

22:27 an atomic weapon out of it yes it is quite hazardous because a piece of it

22:33 that big 2 and a half kilograms

22:38 that’s only 5 pounds is the force that delivered

22:45 20,000 tons of TNT equivalent over Nagasaki

22:52 indeed it is hazardous the one over Hiroshima that had fully

22:59 enriched U235 in it was five times as big so plutonium is more dangerous than

23:04 U235 is it not by a factor of five

23:10 takes five times as much U235 as it does plutonium therefore it is the most hazardous thing

23:17 enter the great pretenders they said that five grams of plutonium

23:23 properly distributed over the face of the earth would kill everybody on Earth

23:28 now if you can only get one 20 kiloton weapon to go on

23:34 2500 grams how’s five grams going to kill everybody on Earth

23:41 early on I had a fear that said if there is this much file material that that can

23:47 undergo a chain reaction we called it in the beginning then if you set a match to it

23:56 all the file material in the world is just going to keep right on going

24:01 totally unfounded fear it turns out that when you’re in this

24:07 business of recovering plutonium like we recovered so much of it at Hanford we found out that if you have it

24:16 in a solution where it’s less than 5% plutonium it won’t go critical any way

24:22 that you kick it and when you get it to 100% plutonium you better be careful

24:29 because if you put it in more than a 5 inch diameter cylinder

24:36 you’re playing with fire you can undergo what is known as an

24:42 uncontrolled criticality accidental criticality the

24:47 air turns blue if the pre if the cylinder is sealed it will explode from

24:53 steam pressure and that steam pressure builds up in a millisecond which is about that long

25:01 no you don’t horse with it and then you find out that those 8 foot thick shielding walls on those canyons were

25:07 put there because they didn’t know how much was a critical mass

25:13 they says if we make a mistake we don’t want to die so we will provide the shielding and so this shielding thing

25:20 started for no other reason than they didn’t know what was a critical mass

25:26 well through the years we got pretty good at telling what a critical mass was and I have worked in a plant where I had

25:34 half a critical mass in this hand bare-handed dressed in street clothes

25:40 half in this hand wearing a lab coat and I’d put this half in a pocket on this side and this half

25:46 in a pocket on this side and walk down the hall if those two ever got together there would be a blue flash

25:52 they never got together because I was in between them and we do that every day

25:59a nd each half had to meet definite dimension characteristics and so we’d take them

26:04 down and pass them one half at a time and they’d measure it and say “Yeah that one will pass.” And then we’d pass them the other half and that one will pass

26:11 too but they were carefully put in separate bird cages so they couldn’t get together accidentally

26:18 well those of us who worked with it enjoyed it we knew what we were doing we

26:24 worked at it when the president of the United States

26:29 decided not to operate that fuel reprocessing plant I started scrambling to find out what was going on

26:38 many things had been done in the name of health and safety don’t get burned you got to have safety record you have to be

26:46 safer than anybody else we were already safer than anybody in the whole world

26:51 well you can’t get forward to get burned with this you got to enforce the limits you’ve got to keep it

26:58 and I says “Hey that’s not what the ball game is at all i’ll bet you the ball game is something else.” And in 1982

27:07 when the Congress passed the Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982

27:12 a guy by the name of Moall I don’t know whether you people in Arizona have ever heard of him or not authored that bill

27:20 it’s called the Highlevel Waste Disposal Act of 1982

27:26 the material he called waste is the reusable uranium fuel that I had

27:33 been working on for 32 years

27:39 needless to say Mo Ud Doll and I do not agree on whether that material is waste or not

27:48 the name of the game then is who owns the plutonium

27:53 and how much is it worth the government says bury it 3,000 ft

28:00 deep in basalt and we’ll hold a contest among the states to see who gets to bury it

28:07 oh why do you want to bury it did you ask the owners

28:14 who is the owner of the plutonium may I submit that it’s most likely

28:23 the nuclear power rateer he has paid for the mining

28:31 the fabrication of the parent uranium power generation

28:40 and is being charged in advance for its burial

28:46 if you’re paying for it to whom does it belong

28:51 how much is it worth in inflated dollars

28:57 a ton of reusable uranium fuel contains useful metal isotopes

29:04 worth upwards of $10 million a ton

29:10 mo doll says it’s high level waste

29:16 the value of reusable uranium fuel scheduled for permanent disposal

29:22 probably exceeds the national debt

29:28 naturally occurring plutonium quantities and you know plutonium does occur

29:33 naturally the plutonium 244 is found at the residual activities of the several

29:41 eight at least Oaklo phenomenon reactors across the world first one

29:47 found at Gaban Africa

29:53 naturally occurring plutonium quantities have been enhanced by transmutation of

29:58 uranium that’s the reason we built reactors in the first place our ability

30:04 to detect and measure emissions from these elements is useful

30:09 in inventory control

30:14 when file elements file isotopes are present at less than five weight%

30:22 plutonium 239 equivalent and the heavy metal oxide matrix is

30:29 stored dry in air

30:35 it has no critical mass remember we talked about shielding was

30:41 because they didn’t know what a critical mass was if it is lightwater reactor fuel

30:49 at less than 5% equivalent file content you can handle it you can do anything

30:56 you want with it you can stack it up you can have a room full you can have a handful as long as you keep it dry it

31:03 will not sustain a chain reaction what then is all this fderol about a

31:11 little bit five grams will kill everybody in the world uh-uh they don’t know what they’re

31:16 talking about and when they say that they’re thumbming their nose at measurement experts like Galen Windsor i

31:25 am insulted when they say those things and get away with it because it has no

31:30 bearing on the truth it cannot be mishandled

31:38 it will not expose any person to an unshielded nuclear reaction

31:44 in other words no controls are necessary except to prevent the pilferage of the

31:51 inventory have you got that one

31:57 let it register do you need governmental rules and

32:03 regulations and instructions no way

32:11 then why do we have all of those rules

32:16 inventory control practices capitalized on the fear of undereducated

32:22 masses who work in the industry i didn’t say anything about ordinary people now I’m

32:29 talking about the people who have worked in the industry and those who cast stones from without

32:38 the Ralph ners the Jane Fondas

32:46 now it doesn’t take you much

32:51 thinking to find out that maybe the industry is the source of the

32:57 problem the industry is the one that made up the committees that made the rules that the

33:06 Congress enforced you ever thought of it that way

33:11 the strangest kind of feather bedding that’s ever been dreamed up it makes the

33:17 railroad engineers look like pikers the only amounts of file processed

33:24 materials that are of health concern to the handlers

33:30 are those that can accidentally cause an unshielded nuclear chain reaction

33:37 or that will cause irriythemma from the shortest wavelength

33:42 highest frequency and therefore the most easily shielded

33:48 ultraviolet light emissions of the electromagnetic spectrum

33:53 big words let’s see what they mean the emissions from uranium plutonium

34:01 seesium all of those things are only important if you assemble an amount

34:08 that if you get this amount and this amount together it can go critical you can get a blue flash and therefore get

34:16 burned and that’s happened 34 times

34:22 in the business and eight men have died as a result of that accidental

34:27 criticality documented in Los Alamus document 3611

34:33 if you want to check the source or if you’ve got enough of it together

34:40 that it’s giving off ultraviolet light of this particular wavelength and frequency

34:46 without any intervening shielding enough to burn you sunburn you irrima

34:53 reening of the skin if it’s less than that if the effect is

34:58 less than that then what is the problem excessive

35:04 government regulation that’s what’s the problem tridium

35:11 heavy heavy water dutarium is hydrogen 2 tridium is hydrogen 3 if you let an

35:18 inventory get away from you what’s going to happen to it out in the biosphere

35:24 nothing other than it will become diluted and join the naturally occurring

35:31 inventory of tridium because tridium is created in the upper atmosphere by sunlight

35:38 we have a natural inventory of tritium then the only thing that happens when

35:43 you release tritium which is the trigger mechanism for bombs it’s the source of

35:49 the push that makes it go is that you lost a valuable inventory

35:56 then what of these people that are pretending

36:02 that a little bit of tridium is going to do you in it is not so

36:07 what are those two points only if it is an economically

36:13 recoverable concentration or if it has a natural reconentration

36:20 mechanism you know there isn’t any one of the radioisotopes out there that has a

36:27 meaningful level of reconentration in any of the species

36:32 not even the oysters in the bays in Maryland below Calbertt Cliffs

36:41 why then are we still playing this game that any amount of this material is of

36:46 hazard reusable uranium fuel which has been

36:52 isotopically enhanced in power producing reactors is a valuable national resource

37:01 not a high level waste the utility operators recognize the

37:07 future worth of this commodity mo ud doll in that nuclear waste policy

37:15 act of 1982 imposed a tribute of a mill per kilowatt hour a dollar per megawatt

37:22 hour on all electricity produced in a nuclear plant so that they can research

37:28 and develop methods to throw it away

37:37 why do the utilities willingly pay this amount to the secretary of energy

37:44 to limit their liability exposure who pays that amount anyway

37:52 the consumer of nuclear generated power you have no

37:57 choice and therefore I call it a tribute

38:02 at the same time they have provided their own storage basins at these reactors at rateayers expense to retain

38:10 ownership control of the plutonium resource so you consumer you rateayer you

38:15 taxpayer are paying for the storage of this fuel and WNP2 at Hanford has

38:23 storage that will take them through the turn of the century and yet every day they are paying a tribute to the

38:29 secretary of energy with the concurrence of the United States Congress and signed

38:35 by the president of the United States in 1982 83 who was that ronald Reagan

38:43 they have provided those storage basin at rateayer expense to retain ownership

38:50 control of the plutonium resource i started playing a game one day seven

38:57 years ago i says “Okay Portland General Electric you’ve got the

39:02 Trojan reactor you’ve got a storage basin problem i’m going to make you an offer.”

39:08 I made them an offer that says “I will take all of your spent fuel fob your

39:15 basin if you will give it to me.” In other words I will take it off your hands at no expense to you i will ship

39:23 it i will store it i will do everything that needs to be done to that fuel and you know what they told me

39:31 can I quote them go to hell Gailen Windsor we value it

39:36 more valuable than platinum or gold we’re going to play the plutonium futures ourselves

39:45 now where did I learn that the name of the game is who owns the plutonium

39:52 and how much is it worth the first plutonium I saw was in a glass

39:59 tube on the news reel when I got back from the Pacific in 1946

40:05 and that that they had in a glass test tube they said was worth a half a million dollars

40:10 certainly they had less than five grams of plutonium in that tube that’s pretty expensive stuff

40:18 and so for the show they put a pot underneath it in case they dropped it they said we’d want to have to pick it

40:24 up out of the rug

40:29 when we decided when it was decided for us not to operate this plant plutonium was

40:37 guaranteed on buyback by the federal government at $43 a gram that’s quite a

40:43 price drop don’t you think when that price guarantee went away in

40:50 October of 1971 the price of plutonium became $10 a gram

40:56 it steadily went down to where its present worth on the market is a minus

41:03 $2 a gram per year that’s what it cost you to hold on to a

41:09 plutonium inventory on a material that has been declared

41:15 worthless by the utility owners

41:21 and rubber stamped by the Congress of the United States and they’re spending billions of dollars digging hole in

41:27 ordinary rock so that they can throw it away dispose of it

41:36 okay what are you going to do with it reusable uranium fuel may be properly stored in air cooled dry storage in a

41:45 cost-effective manner new Chem in Germany offers this

41:50 immediate and long-term option as a necessary and safe step prior to reprocessing

41:57 they’re doing it in Europe at least four regionally located

42:03 facilities are available in the United States where this concept can be used right now barnwwell Nuclear Fuel Plant

42:10 in South Carolina Midwest Fuel Recovery Plant in Morris

42:15 Illinois this one nuclear fuel services in upstate New

42:21 York and Redux Processing Plant at Hanford Washington

42:27 these fully shielded already radioactively contaminated storage areas

42:33 have secure limited access all have been operated under processing conditions of

42:39 10 CFR50 and the MFRP has a 10 CFR70 storage

42:45 license the only licensed storage facility away from a reactor in the United States

42:53 it singly all by itself is capable of storing all of the

42:59 reusable uranium fuel that needs to be moved away from power reactors for the

43:05 remainder of this century we had that storage designed in 1975

43:14 at the approval of the design why then are you spending money over here in New

43:20 Mexico on the waste isolation project why are you spending money at Hanford at

43:25 the basalt waste isolation project why are you spending money at Batty Nevada

43:32 for storage when I can already store it in this building that’s already built

43:40 i just named you three others that can do the job all by themselves too

43:45 and I know where there’s 14 more buildings that can do it

43:53 what are we going to do redux and other excess facilities at

44:00 Hanford are capable of dry storing all commercial RAF until plutonium recycle

44:06 at least through 5% enrichment is reestablished or until the 22nd century whichever

44:12 comes first ruf can be cost-effectively stored in

44:20 existing facilities where does MoD doll came off then saying

44:25 that you cannot use this plant for its intended purpose unless it is owned by

44:30 the United States government he has said that

44:37 the waste isolation projects are politically mandated wasting of national

44:43 energy and construction resources

44:48 plutonium proliferation by diversion of stored renewable uranium fuel is of minor

44:55 importance compared to global availability of fully enriched uranium

45:00 by laser isotopic separation let me explain that last thing that I said jimmy Carter said you can’t ship

45:08 plutonium to India but in the same paragraph said you may ship them fully

45:13 enriched uranium oh Jimmy Carter that peanut brain what

45:19 did he just say he says that when the Israelis took out the reactor in Iraq

45:27 they had fullyenriched uranium from France and he says those rascals those Iraqis are going to take that fully

45:33 enriched uranium put it in that reactor irdiate it to plutonium and therefore

45:40 have to recover the plutonium in a plant like this and we stop them when the

45:45 fully enriched uranium makes a better weapon than the plutonium in the first place

45:51 now when the president of the United States says things like that and when the press gives it credibility I get

45:58 insulted and right after I get insulted I get angry

46:04 and I’ve been angry for quite a while now and finally one day I said my own

46:11 personal security is not important i think I’ll go tell this tale all I want

46:18 is to tell my story the commodity that I communicate is

46:24 called truth and so then I ask you a question a very

46:30 brief pointed question

46:36 who owns the plutonium and how much is it worth and then I’m going to attach on to that

46:42 a question I want you to think about till we talk again if you haven’t been burned by this

46:49 particular source of radiation what is your problem

46:56 you obviously have one otherwise you would join with me in telling the truth

47:04 about this particular commodity and so yes I’m recruiting helpers

47:11 what happened to the guys who taught me the business thousands of them the

47:19 hands-on business where are they

47:24 they’re still there why don’t they talk who are the they that say this is the

47:33 way the business is going to be run whether it makes sense or not

47:45 we’re back with Galen Windsor and we’re talking about the nuclear scare scam

47:53 gayen it seems to me that from what I’ve heard you say that uh this scaring of the

48:01 people is better than a lock and key to keep this stuff out of the hands of those who might be interested in

48:07 investigating and keeping this valuable material hidden for just an elite few

48:12 this is probably the way that it works best and so then the secret was to keep from letting other people know that it

48:19 could be handled because first of all we weren’t accepted by the community and

48:24 the materials that we were working with they feared but there were certain few people that realized its real worth its

48:32 potential to be used in ways other than to support our national defense let me

48:38 ask you a question Gayen are you are you worried about your do you have reason to be worried about your personal safety

48:45 because the kind of people that you’re describing here uh are powerful people i wonder you’re still around i wonder how

48:52 much longer we can expect you to be in this game well on the 13th of December

48:58 last year the NRC Nuclear Regulatory Commission Region 5 turned out a federal SWAT team to get me on a federal warrant

49:05 issued by Bob Thomas out of Walnut Creek California it was kind of funny in a re way they

49:12 turned out this federal SWAT team at Hanford and they had my picture and alongside it it says “This is an

49:18 irrational individual he poses a threat to our security take him at any cost.” Now the reason that

49:25 I’m still here only has one logical conclusion i have lots of help

49:31 well you’ve told us about how that you and

49:37 others of your friends and colleagues have handled many times this so-called deadly

49:45 nuclear energy material that the whole world is so scared of

49:52 uh why weren’t you afraid of it because we did silly things like uh recover some

49:58 of the undissolved fuel elements out of the redux dissolver that burned a hole in it and we went in and sampled these

50:06 things by remote process we got it out into our hands and found out that we could walk around the lab with them

50:11 bare-handed and they wouldn’t hurt us and we were standing there in the lab tossing them back and forth uranium

50:18 metal that wouldn’t dissolve in the boiling nitric acid well if you find out

50:23 that you can play with it and it was only 90 days since that thing came out of the reactor and it doesn’t burn you

50:28 why should you be afraid of it so in other words you’re telling me that uh

50:35 you learned to not be afraid of it because of practical use and application and hands-on experience hands-on

50:43 we might even been playing games okay you say that you swam

50:49 in this water that was straight from spent fuel

50:55 used to cool that fuel and you swam in it yep you told me earlier that you went a little little bit beyond that would

51:01 you share a little bit of that story well swimming in it didn’t have the desired effect so I decided I had to be

51:09 more direct with these people that were giving me trouble they were kind of hard to teach so I went to drinking a glass

51:14 of it a day i had the bottle of it last time I went swimming why i filled this 2

51:21 L bottle with water and washed it off on the outside in the shower when I washed me off on the outside so that we didn’t

51:27 tattletail you know radioactive material is just a trace or a tattletail so you got to get it off so they won’t know

51:33 that you’ve been swimming in the pool and drinking the water so I took this bottle in and set it on my desk and who

51:38 would suspect that the manager of safety and analytical service had a bottle of

51:43 spent fuel pool water sitting on his desk and he drank a glass of it every day

51:48 this was unheard of nobody ever did that crazy stunt before

51:55 how’s that affected you uh Gayen well as near as I can tell it made me about 6’4

52:01 in my cowboy boots 210bs and really quite a nice fellow

52:08 all right what then happened as a result of your doing this strange experiment on

52:16 your desk with this water what was the result can corporations have a heart

52:21 attack i think General Electric had one because after they ran me through a whole body

52:27 gamma scan in December of 1974 by the time I got out because I had a

52:32 plutonium lung burden and it took 45 minutes to an hour to count that everybody on site knew that the manager

52:39 of safety had been swimming and drinking in the swimming pool the spent fuel

52:45 storage pool had seesium 137 at a ferociously high level that ex even

52:51 exceeded the NRC’s limit and I’d been drinking it

52:57 they knew the fat was in the fire now where do we go from here

53:04 well first of all I got a poison pen letter from the people in San Jose he says

53:10 “Thou shalt not do those things they’ll find out that the inventory can be

53:15 stolen.” Well that didn’t set very well with this cowboy because nobody tells me what to do particularly when what I do

53:22 is right and hasn’t harmed me who are they to tell me what I want to do

53:31 it just didn’t set very well i was going to do something about that what was your motive in this correct information

53:41 as an expert in the measuring system why it was very obvious that I knew

53:46 the parameters of inventory control the disintegration rate of each of these isotopes how to measure them that’s how

53:53 we regulated our inventory and to have these rascals come along and start playing games with the information that

53:59 I was very expert in that I had designed the analytical system for this plant

54:04 around disturbed me a little bit no it made me fighting mad and I got angry and

54:12 I have to admit in retrospect that for the next five six years I was more than

54:18 angry i was hard to live with just ask my wife well

54:24 in your estimation then how dangerous is a nuclear reactor plant

54:29 a nuclear reactor plant is just a way to boil water that’s the cleanest neatest

54:35 most economical way to boil water that you’ve ever seen and so in my estimation

54:41 nuclear reactors ought to be insured under the same insurance policy as any other steam boiler plant

54:49 power generating plant and to have special consideration under the Price Anderson Act means that

54:56 the insurance industry has already paid off the Congress so that they can have a ripoff

55:03 charging ever in higher and higher insurance premiums

55:10 total coverage much much greater for a non-existent risk what a racket

55:17 can a nuclear plant explode

55:22 only like any other steam plant like Laughlin Nevada had a steam explosion in

55:29 this coal fired plant but six men were killed there last year that could happen

55:34 at a nuclear plant but as far as an atomic explosion good heavens no no way

55:43 what kind of accidents can actually happen at a nuclear reactor generator

55:49 plant you could lose your moderator and the reactor shut down the control rods would stick in and you wouldn’t be able

55:55 to start it up uh you might uh

56:01 do several things that would uh invalidate some of the safety controls for instance an emergency core cooling

56:08 system the only reason they put ECCS on a reactor is to destroy it when you

56:13 start these big babies up because they’re so big you only warm them up 50° an hour and they say “We got an

56:21 emergency throw the emergency core cooling system on like they did at Three-Mile Island 2 and you’re going to

56:26 thermally shock that big machine and ruin it so it can never be used again let’s talk about Three Mile Three-Mile

56:32 Island what what really happened there we’ve heard all kinds of stories about meltdown and

56:39 uh uh they made movies on it that this meltdown could melt right through the

56:45 earth clear through China and uh and we’ve seen a lot of scare stories what really happened to Three Mile do you

56:51 know what really happened there yes I do i followed that one very closely uh

56:57 in fact I know the guys personally who wrote the script for China Syndrome and also wrote the script for the Three-Mile

57:02 Island Fiasco dale Bridenba Dick Huard and Greg Miner who used to work with me at General Electric are the MBH

57:0 9associates that wrote that China Syndrome script and not only that remember that was the time China

57:15 Syndrome came out jane Fonda starring 14 months ahead of the

57:21 tmi2 accident it was predicted in writing in New York State that that accident would happen one year from the

57:27 date that that 3M island 2 reactor started up it started up in March 1978

57:35 and it went down March 28th 1979 right on the day oneyear anniversary

57:41 in other words with 14 months advanced notice the industry still went along with the sham

57:49 nothing happened there except that the owner the operator and the regulators conspired to turn it off what melted

57:57 the top of the fuel rods the third time that the core got uncovered

58:03 uh due to internal pressure blew the top off some of those rods they’ve got incanel springs in them to keep the

58:09 pellets fuel pellets from vibrating when it’s running those things are under compression and when they reduced the

58:15 outside pressure and the fuel rods were still hot it blew the top off some of those fuel rods uh the fuel rods in TMI2

58:24 are internally pressurized to about 1,200 PSI with helium gas so that they

58:29 don’t reverse dent when they’re hot and running for 5 years and when they dropped the outside

58:35 pressure why that internal pressure with those hot rods blew the side out of some of those rods at the top that melting

58:43 the fuel is already an oxide ceramic it uh is a pellet it’s been pressed into a

58:48 ceramic it when you pick it up and feel it it feels like metal it’s pressed so very very tight hard and so no the fuel

58:57 didn’t melt the China Syndrome is a script writer’s fantasy

59:03 uh right here I’ll ought to tell a story I guess see I spent uh three weeks on the

59:10 island in March of 1981 the 2-year anniversary of this particular quote

59:15 accident and Tom Hall who stood alongside Enrico Fermy when they pulled the control rods on 100B in October 1944

59:25 at Hanford and I were delegated to go to the island and find out what happened and so we did we went over all of the

59:32 records and everything else and there as we could tell from performance records

59:38 51 thermouples for instance u only one of which went over 1,000

59:44 degrees Fahrenheit the center line temperature of those rods when they’re running is 4,032°

59:53 F and so they say things like over 50% of the core was greater than 4,000° yes it

59:59 was if it wasn’t it wasn’t running at 100% power so they take that kind of

1:00:04 information and bugger it all up so that you don’t understand what’s going on they give you a little bit of it well

1:00:10 the worst joke that people could dream up and they says “Do you know what the NRC’s worst

1:00:16 nightmare is?” No I don’t know what that is gayen Windsor and Tom Hall in the TMI2 control

1:00:24 room for an hour by themselves you know why people that know laugh

1:00:32 these crazy guys from Hanford would have started that baby up and showed that it would run we’d have started it up and

1:00:39 they were afraid of us so there was no accident at 3M Island

1:00:46 no they did it on purpose sure very interesting

1:00:52 can nuclear radiation cause mutation in people and animals

1:00:57 uh if a cell gets too much radiation it dies and so if it is a a sperm or an

1:01:04 oversight why they die they don’t reproduce and there are no mutations I

1:01:10 think the good lord built that safety factor in so you’re saying that mutation

1:01:17 in future generations is an unfounded fear yes and the studies of the people

1:01:23 at Hiroshima and Nagasaki have borne that out those people do not have that now they showed the immediate effects of

1:01:30 too much radiation the women who were pregnant uh showed

1:01:37 the embryo showed the effects of very similar to rebella measles some

1:01: certainly from that in radiation insult but uh that’s not the

1:01:47 kind of mutation that’s going to go on to the next generation

1:01:53 gayen what and where are these burial sites and what’s in

1:01:59 them for this so-called nuclear waste i’ve been hearing stories about

1:02:06 stainless steel containers buried in concrete under the ocean boiling for

1:02:12 over 2,000 years that sound that sounds like a real story uh

1:02:18 let me start out by saying there are no nuclear waste only materials created in a reactor to be recovered and used

1:02:25 beneficially now high level waste is radioactive and

1:02:32 self-heating and so fuel uh reusable uranium fuel

1:02:37 fits that definition but if you disregard its intrinsic worth

1:02:42 then yeah it would fit the definition of high level waste but let’s say there isn’t any high level waste only material

1:02:48 to be recovered and used beneficially then what’s the low-level waste fiasco

1:02:53 that’s an excuse for a federally mandated non-insspectable

1:02:59 disposal system so that organized crime can get rid of any evidence that they want and it can never be dug up again

1:03:07 they’re afraid to look in there not afraid they don’t want you to they’ve got rules on the transport so that if

1:03:14 you have an accident with a low-level radioactive waste shipment while you call out all of the state police and you

1:03:19 make sure that nobody looks at it that nobody gets exposed that there’s no spreading of the contaminated material

1:03:25 it’s all so that you don’t find out whose body is in that drum the situation got so bad that the the

1:03:32 smell of human flesh was so great that they made it so that you could ship analytic animal biological waste in

1:03:39 refrigerated vans so that it wouldn’t stink up before you got it buried what What is then in these low-level or high

1:03:49 level or whatever uh containers under the ocean nothing

1:03:55 but if you see they were one time dropping barrels of radioactive waste

1:04:01 off barges in the ocean do you know what was in them not high level self-heating

1:04:07 radioactive waste probably had a few bodies and a few guns and a few knives and a few evidences in them too if you

1:04:14 drop them in the ocean they are truly disposed of you know there’s an international trait in that right now

1:04:20 you can’t do it in the United States so they trans shship ship it across the ocean to South Africa and they can bury it offshore

1:04:27 so what is in those drums well that’s what you’re telling me then that I that I needn’t worry about boiling drums

1:04:34 under the ocean for 2,000 years no no way thank you i glad to know that well

1:04:40 one one more question Gayen what uh do you feel like

1:04:46 a good portion of these men in Congress know this already i know they do i went there four years

1:04:54 ago and sat down with the Senate legal staff and told him I’m hour and a half long sad

1:05:01 story and Sam Ballinger one of the lawyers stood up and he says “Gail if I understand you right why you want us to

1:05:07 have President Reagan snap his finger and make this thing come up straight?” And I says “Hey Sam terrific go ahead

1:05:13 and do it.” He uh didn’t take that challenge

1:05:19 he says ‘N no I’ll tell you what Gayen industry likes it the way that it is i

1:05:26 said Sam you really know how to hurt a guy and he says ‘Well if we change it what are we going to do for an encore

1:05:33 yeah they’re fully aware that this thing goes on as far up as the president of the United States it’s the way that

1:05:40 industry wants it the industry is its own problem then

1:05:46 so the question is then what is the industry what is

1:05:52 the real story here is this an industry of nuclear energy the industry has been

1:05:58 ripping it off for years and years in 1975 we knew that large nuclear reactors

1:06:03 were dead that large is not the way to go the way to go is small mass-produced

1:06:08 nuclear reactor sitting right in the middle of town one every 10 blocks producing power we haven’t built a

1:06:15 reactor right yet it’s time that we do it why haven’t we because of a federal

1:06:21 energy cartel these guys control the amount of electricity the availability and the

1:06:28 price and they say “You do not have a choice i have a choice i’m going to take

1:06:33 one of those decommissioned nuclear subs up in Puet Sound refuel it and generate my own electricity

1:06:40 save the government $5 million because that’s what they want to throw them away i will use it for my own power

1:06:48 quinn Million up in Omac Washington and I are moving on that and if one of these days I hook one of them up to Pier 9 in

1:06:54 Seattle don’t be surprised well good luck

1:07:05 i’m Gayen Windsor and I thought I’d share a few hands-on practical things that have to do with this nuclear scare

1:07:13 scam now you’ve heard that gamma energy the kind of energy that comes off a rock

1:07:19 like this is the most penetrating most damaging of all radiation

1:07:25 and not only that here is uranium the parent of radon

1:07:30 and they say if you can measure detect radon in a home then it’s bad

1:07:36 if you exceed the EPA’s limit it’s reason to run you out of your home spend

1:07:43 $13,000 like they did with Stanley Wattress’s house in Pennsylvania the other day to get rid of the radon to

1:07:51 ventilate it out through ridiculous let’s take them one at a time

1:07:56 this is a rock that I picked up in Natarita Colorado 16 weight% uranium

1:08:04 high-grade uranium hot i read a thing the other day that

1:08:10 says they had high-grade uranium and lo and behold it’s too hot to transport so

1:08:16 they had to bury it on site oh wonderful let’s talk a little bit about radiation

1:08:26 if we can uh Yeah are we picking up

1:08:32 if you put the probe right there meter goes off scale and you can hear it all right

1:08:39 hot radiation gamma radiation is the most penetrating of all radiation oh is

1:08:45 it all it’s got between the rock and the

1:08:51 probe is my hand doesn’t count so pretty much does it

1:08:57 what if I put the rock behind me

1:09:04 you don’t suppose I’ve been lying to you do you i suspect they have

1:09:10 well let’s do a little bit more i got a black bottle

1:09:18 this stuff comes in white bottle a bottle of no dos

1:09:25 you can send children down to the drugstore to buy no dos all they need is money in this are six 60 white

1:09:36 caffeine pellets and this one is uranium oxide U308

1:09:44 you can’t buy it for love nor money the state of Washington sent two of their Gustapo agents over to my home to

1:09:50 confiscate my uranium samples on the 17th of December last year

1:09:56 got a challenge i’d like to have somebody in the room volunteer to take all of this bottle or all of this bottle

1:10:04 the only thing they’ll tell you is that one of them won’t hurt you and the other one will kill you

1:10:11 do you want the white stuff or the black stuff

1:10:18 white stuff you do there’s enough in there to kill four men your size

1:10:27 the government says we got to ban this material it’s radioactive

1:10:35 let’s check it on the bottom of the bottle

1:10:41 not very radioactive let’s take the cap off

1:10:48 oh my goodness very radioactive this instrument will only count gamma energy

1:10:55 it’s just energy lights coming from those lights only getting lots of infrared from the lights

1:11:00 as well as ultraviolet energy response and it’s very carefully

1:11:06 damp to only discriminated so it only gets the energy that comes from this i’d

1:11:12 want it to respond to a light just to this cost me $1,000 to get an instrument

1:11:18 that’ll just respond to this and not to that this is radioactive by any definition

1:11:25 radioactive material giving off radiation that is read by an instrument like this

1:11:32 the daughter of this radon cannot be read on this instrument because it gives

1:11:38 off alpha particles an alpha particle is a diositive

1:11:43 uh particle that comes from the nucleus it has two protons and two neutrons therefore an atomic weight of four and

1:11:50 it’s minus two electrons and if you grab it with a high ionization potential

1:11:56 counter it’ll count but if it travels 2 in in air or through a piece of paper it picks up two electrons two beta

1:12:02 particles if you will and becomes helium gas and it won’t count on an ionization chamber

1:12:10 did you know that this thing right here is giving off helium gas

1:12:17 alpha comes from uranium okay radioactive material you pour it out in

1:12:24 the hand and that’s radioactive contamination is

1:12:29 it radioactive yeah it is very radioactive

1:12:37 now decontamination is nothing but scooping it back up and putting it into the bottle

1:12:44 i just now decontaminated my hand no I didn’t do such a good job

1:12:51 not good at all is it still radioactive

1:12:57 yeah that’s called residual radioactivity now under the decontamination rules of

1:13:04 the government when you decontaminate somebody like this that’s that contaminated and this is certainly a

1:13:10 reportable incident under current DOE regulations when you decontaminate him it has to go

1:13:16 down a control drain so that you don’t disperse radioactivity

1:13:21 do I qualify as a control drain

1:13:35 that material that I just ate

1:13:40 is uh not soluble in body fluids like

1:13:46 it’s been this it’s fired at 940 degrees

1:13:51 Coxide where it becomes U308 known in the industry as HCl insoluble

1:13:58 in other words it will not dissolve in concentrated hydrochloric acid hot

1:14:04 your stomach has tenth normal hydrochloric acid in it so it won’t even dissolve the stuff is so fine that it

1:14:11 has no texture to it doesn’t even feel rough so it’s tasteless odorless has no

1:14:18 texture how’s it supposed to hurt me because I’ve been eating this on lecture

1:14:24 tour for 2 years the state of Washington felt it necessary to confiscate my uranium sample so that I would be safe

1:14:33 dr fulton from the Hanford Environmental Health Foundation called up and he says “Hey I hear one of your guys ODed on

1:14:39 uranium today Galen.” And we talked for a little while and he says “Oh that was you.” And I says “Listen

1:14:47 I can eat all that stuff I want.” He says “It’ll ruin your kidneys.” How are your kidneys they’re fine well you

1:14:53 should have been keelated within four hours and I mean you guys are going to follow me around the country and give me

1:14:58 cheladating agents every four hours after I eat it on lecture tour he says “We’ll give you any medical assistance

1:15:04 that you need Gail and we don’t want anything to happen to you.” I said “Do that include turning out the

1:15:11 federal SWAT team four days ago to get me.” Where are these guys coming from

1:15:19 well here’s a piece of metal density of 19

1:15:25 19.0 if you know your chemistry and physics you know that there are only two metals

1:15:30 that have that density plutonium and uranium

1:15:36 radioactive pyrohoric density of 19 outside of a laboratory most of you

1:15:42c an’t tell me whether this is uranium plutonium or a mixture of the two

1:15:49 now I said that it’s heavy and it is

1:15:54 let’s see if it’s radioactive yeah it is

1:16:01 pyrohoric what does that mean pyro fire black on the end

1:16:10 the spark that just came off there is pyro fire

1:16:16 burned if it’s plutonium I just contaminated this area of Arizona in

1:16:22 excess of the EPA’s limit for one square mile of surface

1:16:32 somebody laughed it’s serious the end of progress altogether says that

1:16:38 I just contaminated you in excess of the limit for one square mile it’s now silver on the end

1:16:45 tomorrow it’ll be black because it self oxidizes this this black color like this

1:16:51 all by itself plutonium does that and uranium does that

1:16:58 is it hazardous yeah it is because they take depleted uranium metal and make it into 50

1:17:05 caliber bullets fire them from shoulderheld weapons in 1976 they

1:17:12 obsoleted tank warfare with these things because it only takes one dog face with one weapon to knock out a 65tonon tank

1:17:20 it’ll go through three inches of armor plate and when it comes out the other side it’s that white hot spark that we

1:17:25 just made and the five men in that tank are dead

1:17:31 because it’ll burn all the oxygen out of the air and burn their flesh

1:17:38 1976 they obsolated tank warfare and you never even knew that they make 10,000 of

1:17:43 those bullets every day in the United States we got enough of an arsenal to sink all

1:17:50 of Russia’s tanks and our boys in the defense department don’t even talk about it yeah it’s hazardous to your health

1:17:58 reminds me uh lead is hazardous to your health too

1:18:03 isn’t it uh particularly if it’s in a 45 slug

1:18:09 like this and it hits you right here going about 2600 feet per second

1:18:14 it’s not the material it’s the impact from the velocity let’s be very specific in the words that

1:18:21 we use this particular chunk of lead came out of a human body my son who’s a

1:18:26 deputy sheriff thought maybe I could use it on tour that’s called dying of lead

1:18:31 poisoning anything less is a figment of the imagination because it’s not soluble in body fluid either

1:18:42 this is a pellet of cobalt 59 if you put it in a reactor into a

1:18:48 neutron field you can convert cobalt 59 to cobalt 60 which gives off a gamma it

1:18:56 becomes the source that doctors use to irdiate patients to 7,000 rentken

1:19:05 for one patient the total dose absorbed by radiation workers at three mile

1:19:10 island in the last six years is something like 1,500 rentken

1:19:17 five times more given to a single individual in a doctor’s facility

1:19:22 now do you know why I say that the federal regulations are absurd and if you live by those federal regulations

1:19:29 maybe you’re being absurd too now a pellet of cobalt 60 this size got

1:19:37 shipped by mistake to Mexico got diluted into 5,000 tons of iron

1:19:44 some of the reinforcing rod came up to Los Alamos New Mexico and they says “Hey

1:19:49 that stuff’s radioactive.” Understand that this single pellet diluted roughly a factor of 1 billion

1:19:57 was what they were reading on a detector like this at Los Alamos and so they pulled back table legs that were in

1:20:03 Spokane Washington made out of the same batch because it was hot and radioactive and it would burn you when the pellet

1:20:11 itself could be held in your hand like that for a few minutes without it burning you

1:20:16 now Christ walked the earth a billion minutes ago

1:20:21 if I could scratch this stretch this pellet out into a wire and it went clear around the Earth and right back here to

1:20:27 Phoenix a billionth of this amount is 1.7 in of

1:20:32 that wire so stretched out stagger your mind

1:20:38 it ought to Now let’s try a little game the EPA says

1:20:48 that five pico curies

1:20:54 per liter of air is the limit for

1:21:01 222 radon

1:21:07 and they handle that like it’s a real number madame Cury says that one gram

1:21:15 one gram of radium equals one cury

1:21:24 equals 2.22 * 10 12th

1:21:31 disintegrations per minute and that’s the basic definition of radioactivity

1:21:37 how many disintegrations is this should we find out

1:21:58 and the EPA in its wisdom says that 11 disintegrations per minute from one

1:22:04 liter of air you have exceeded the limit you know what I did the other day i’ve

1:22:10 been having a little tough with some legal authorities up in my house so I took one of these bottles of uranium

1:22:16 like this and I dissolved it in a Nerland Meyer flask with nitric acid and I got a crack

1:22:23 in the basement floor and I squirted that whole bottle into that crack on the basement floor in acid solution so that

1:22:30 it’ll drive that counter off third scale any place along a 10-ft section of that crack that I put when they bring the

1:22:37 radon measurement in there can you know what the radon’s going to do it’s going to go off scale in their measurement it

1:22:43 won’t go that high if Wattress’s house with 17 times this

1:22:50 limit in it was caused to spend $13,000 and give it national TV coverage press

1:22:57 coverage think what Galen Windsor’s house is like

1:23:03 i went to the trouble to notify my congressman about it Mike Lawrence the manager of the Department of Energy in

1:23:08 the Pacific Northwest my state representative Ray Isacson and a few other astute

1:23:15 people including the banker and the lawyers and the appeal court what are they going to do with that i set them up

1:23:22 on that last Thursday and I come down to Phoenix so I escaped the falderall what

1:23:28 I’m saying you is that the federal regulations are absurd

1:23:35 the congressmen that put them into the place ought to be fired they ought to be sent home the regulators what do you do

1:23:42 with them quit paying them the taxpayer the electorate

1:23:50 elects those people to go out and do a job why do you continue to pay them when

1:23:56 they’re teaching you baloney when they’re putting in regulations that don’t make any sense cut it out quit

1:24:03 paying them fire them send them home term I grew up with says “Can them.”

1:24:10 Is it easy apparently not you haven’t got the job done majority of the

1:24:16 Congress is irresponsible amoral atheistic irresponsible let’s see how

1:24:21 many more adjectives can I drum up but that many let me tell you we as the people sent a

1:24:30 bunch of rascals out to the energy store with a signed blank check and we say

1:24:35 “Hey fellows if you run out of money just go build us a good power plant if you run out of money come back we’ll

1:24:41 give you another signed blank check and guarantee the payment out of the

1:24:46 rateayers’s pocket.” Tennessee Valley Authority has the most

1:24:52 nuclear reactors of any outfit in the place not one of them has produced any

1:24:57 power since last August browns Ferry 1 two and three in

1:25:03 Mississippi hasn’t produced any power since last March

1:25:11 and they don’t plan on producing any power at Browns Ferry until mid year in

1:25:16 ‘ 86 at a million dollars a day in lost power revenue per plant

1:25:23 and held off in the name of health and safety now tell me we didn’t send

1:25:28 rascals out to the energy marketplace with a signed blank check they’re still

1:25:36 getting paid those reactors are all fully fueled fully staffed and just

1:25:42 sitting there who’s getting taken the rateayer you’re still paying more

1:25:48 and more for your electricity all of the time

1:25:54 now Bonavville Power Administration says that uh 57%

1:26:00 availability is okay for a nuclear reactor main Yankee is often run at 103%

1:26:06 availability which means it’s running over name plate rating enough days out of the year that its average

1:26:12 availability is 100% bonavville Power Administration of the Department of Energy says that 57%

1:26:20 availability is okay that means that you can let those things set down 43% of the year and that’s judges acceptable

1:26:27 performance on the part of the government there’s an obvious answer

1:26:33 get the government out of the energy regulating business turn those plants over to people who

1:26:39 will run them efficiently 100% of the time when we put in zero release containment we started playing games

1:26:46 about the time that we proved that a nuclear reactor has no measurable impact upon the environment that’s when they

1:26:52 bottled them up put catalytic recombiners on them some of the reactors in Texas were

1:26:57 designed not to breathe for eight years at great expense why

1:27:03 when you bottle up a reactor like TMI2 does then you get radolytic hydrogen and indeed they had a radolytic hydrogen

1:27:10 burn at tmi2 and they moan and they groan about that and all they had to do was open up the

1:27:15 windows and let the breezes blow through you don’t need containment on them going

1:27:22 up to Colorado this weekend to meet with the uranium producers association

1:27:27 and they’re upset because the government is dumping uranium on the

1:27:33 market and raising the price of the commodity that they get their bread and butter from but what they’re totally

1:27:40 unaware of is that the Grand Junction Operation Office is going to issue a contract so that the new operator has a

1:27:49 $25 million budget over the next five years 80% of which will be spent for

1:27:55 remedial action where you take this material dig it up if you find it it

1:28:01 counts on a geer counter you can have them come in and change out the whole front yard of your house give you a new front yard new foundation under your

1:28:07 house at government expense if you don’t do it they’ll take you down to the courthouse blacklist your property so

1:28:14 that you have to remove the radioactivity at your own expense before it can be sold now do you know what I

1:28:19 did when I took that uranium solution and poured it into the crack in my house

1:28:26 i set up the United States government and that episode is about to be played

1:28:32 did I do it on purpose yeah I did just like I used to dive into that swimming pool and drink that seesium contaminated

1:28:38 water I found out that it doesn’t hurt me

1:28:43 you need to find out that it doesn’t hurt me or you in fact the only reason for the

1:28:50 existence of these big transcontinent distribution lines would be if they

1:28:56 could compete with a small mass-produced reactor sitting in your backyard why don’t they want you to because they

1:29:04 are the federal energy cartel they like to set the price the total availability

1:29:14 and whether you can hook on to it and if you don’t pay your bill cut you off that’s called power

1:29:21 domain and control and they like that they do not want you to be energy

1:29:27 independent if you had one of these setting in every

1:29:34 10 block area in Phoenix you could tell the rest of the world to go get lost oh there another use for

1:29:40 that heat you could heat your homes in the winter time or you could cool them in the summertime with it

1:29:47heating ventilation air conditioning they call it HVAC

1:29:52 in countries where it freezes you could run that hot water out and chase the frost away in the spring and in the fall

1:30:01 and they found out that plants grow faster in warm water anyway so you’d irrigate with it all summer

1:30:09 so cooling towers are called wasting towers they throw over 50% of the heat away the

1:30:16 other morning coming out of Tri Cities WNP2 was putting its

1:30:23 700 megawatt electric up through the clouds 870

1:30:28 they were running that and the clouds were laying all over the ground and there was a little ice cream cone right

1:30:34 out there and I said there’s WNP2 it snows 5 in every night out of WNP2

1:30:41 and the rest of us don’t get any where’d the water come from

1:30:46 that’s cooling the heat from the condenser cooler you should have a business right out there an oil cracking

1:30:52 plant something taking that heat and using like they built at Midland Michigan 10

1:30:59 years ago and they’ve never used and so Dowo Chemical is suing the utility because they never produced the steam

1:31:05 for their chemical plant right alongside it we got troubles in this country

1:31:11 i’m telling you what the problem is the doing something about it responsibility is yours

LUCIFER in the Temple of the Dog I by Jack Heart & Orage – The Human: Jack Heart, Orage and Friends